Fellow came by the shop to borrow a Dutch Oven. He works at one of the local
colleges and is a Boat Person rather than a Plane Person. Boat People usually
takes their kitchen with him when they travel but he's taking a bunch of
college kids over to Death Valley to count pup fish and the best the college
could do for chow and equipment was a couple of Sierra cups and some outdated
MRE's.

I've known this guy maybe twenty years, figure it's safe to loan him a Dutch
Oven. He's built a couple of boats, knows about wood. I helped him rig an
aluminum mast, ‘way back when sometime. He knows I fiddle with airplanes but
thought they were always aluminum.

"I thought you only worked in aluminum,' he said. We were out behind the shop.
Perplexed look on his face, inspecting an aileron that seemed to be growing
plumes of wood shavings where the ribs attached to the spar. I found the Dutch
Oven, not too rusty considering it hadn't been used in a year or more. Took it
in the shop to clean it up. He wasn't leaving til the next day; there would be
time to season the oven before he left.

I've been making some tail feathers. One set is all corners, simple and quick
to build. The other is all curves. I had a bundle of pine strips, one inch
wide but barely an eighth of an inch thick. When he arrived I'd been scarfing
them into ten-foot strips. Being a Boat Person he knows about scarfing.

"What slope is that?"

I didn't know. I finished cleaning up the Dutch Oven, went in the house for
some bacon grease, rubbed it down good. You can use vegetable oil if you want.
When I came back out to the shop he'd found a yo-yo and was measuring the
scarfs.

"That's about sixteen to one," he sounded surprised. Boat people tend to use
steep scarfs; eight to one; even six

Best I could do was shrug. I honestly had no idea what the slope was, told him
so. For the second time.

"How can you be sure they'll match if you don't even know what slope you're
using?"

He sounded kind of stern. I just looked at him. College teacher. Boat
person. He'd figure it out. I waited, kept looking at him.

"Oh!" You could almost see the light bulb go on over his head.

(So long as you cut all of your scarfs using the same set-up, they'll match.
It doesn't really matter what the angle is.)

The big disk sander was still set up for scarfing. I'd clamped a piece of 2x4
to the table, cocked it around so it formed a very flat angle relative to the
disk then simply shoved the strips into the gap like sharpening a pencil. Full
depth, the disk cut a taper about two inches long. The strips are about a
sixty-fourth shy of an eighth, which was how the set-up came out. I found
some scrap, squared them on the bandsaw, let him scarf them then put them
together to see how they fit. Nice.

Scarf joint is a special case of end-grain gluing. For full strength across
the joint you need a lot of surface which dictates a nice flat angle.
Producing that angle by sanding presents you with something of a problem.. You
need to get the sanding residue out of the fibers. I coat it with glue then
scrape it off with a single edged razor blade, then apply fresh glue. Seems to
work okay, which is good because most of the strips had three splices – four
pieces of wood. That's the reality of Building On The Cheap, using whatever
wood is locally available.

I showed him a couple that were already glued, showing off a bit by tying one
in a knot. They were glued with an epoxy because it's less viscous than most
of my other glues and epoxy doesn't need a lot of pressure to make a good
joint. To turn short strips into long ones, I taped them to a work bench.
There was a small strip of waxed paper under the glued area but the alignment
was strictly by eye, sighting down the strip until they aligned then holding it
in place by taping it to the bench. This leaves the scarf free to lift up,
apply the glue and check the wet-out. Then another piece of waxed paper went
over the top followed by a steel plate to provide some weight. Clean-up is
with a razor after which one edge gets trued up. They aren't perfectly
straight but for making bows, they don't have to be. All you need is one edge
that is reasonably true. That will be the down-edge when I laminate the curve,
which should take about fourteen of the strips and about two dozen sewer-pipe
clamps, plus a couple of real clamps to secure the laminated bow to the blocks
that make up the curves. Once the bow is cured it will be carved to its final
shape. Any irregularities in the strips will vanish during the carving.

Out back of the shop I dug around, found the trivet and some fire irons, showed
him a Squaw Wood kit and explained how to use it, loaned him a pair of heavy
leather gloves. He kept looking at the aileron with its little tufts of wood
shavings fluttering in the breeze.

I explained that they were errors. Those particular blocks had shown a gap
when fitted in place. I didn't want to make up new blocks so I installed them
square then filled the gap with wood shavings coated with glue on both sides.
Once the glue is cured I'll sand off the curls. I also pointed out an error he
hadn't seen, where the disk sander got away from me and gouged a rib.

"How did you keep it in place?" he asked, which was a good question. The rib
is curved and less than a quarter of an inch thick.

"Clothes pins. Put some waxed paper over the glue." If I couldn't grab it
with clothes pins I'd of had to use rubber bands or something like that. Once
the glue had cured I sanded the patch smooth.

"Does it effect the strength?"

"Not there. This all gets covered with cloth; it has to be smooth. Worse case
load is a few pounds per inch of rib."

He had his nose right down into the thing now looking at the filleted joints
and the scarfed doublers. And the struts.

"Are those what I think they are?" he pointed to a strut.

"Are you thinking bamboo?"

"Actually, I was thinking shish-ka-bob."

"You sound like my wife. No, those are Aviation Certified bamboo struts."

He gave me a look. I gave him a look. We both grinned.

All loaded up, he started his engine then ran the window down. "I hadn't
really thought about wood in the way you're using it there. What's the
trade-off compared to using aluiminum?" We've talked airplanes before. He's
dead set against composites, having developed a major reaction to resin. And
he's not much of a hand with metal. But he likes wood.

"Go play with your pup fish," I told him. "Give me a call when you get back."
He didn't look too happy with that. "It's not a trivial subject. The biggest
airplane ever built was made out of wood."

"The Spruce Goose! Up in Long Beach, by the Queen Mary." He'd just remembered
it was made of wood. His eyes didn't spin around like pin-wheels but they were
jumping around a lot. You could almost hear the ideas bumping into each other.

"Up in Oregon, now. And it's mostly birch." I thumped the roof of his car to
let him know he could take it away. "Call me. I'll show you how to rivet then
show you how to make a proper glue joint. Once you understand the procedures
you'll see most of the trade-offs yourself."

"You know, glue provides a continuous bond where rivets only fasten things
together like sewing. Or nails. Or..."

Back in the shop the air compressor cycled on, reminding me I had things to do.
But I'd lit his fire and he was enjoying the glow. You could hear the whirr
of his gears. Any minute now I expected to see smoke coming out his ears. I
thumped the roof again, harder. "Pup fish. Go count some."

He drove off and I went back to work. That aileron really did look like hell.
I found the drill motor and knocked the curls off the thing. If the professor
builds an airplane I have a hunch it won't need any gap-fillers.

Cleaning up the aileron, I got to thinking about what he said, about never
having thought of wood as an aviation material. Without really meaning to, we
fall prey to our prejudices. But given just a glimpse of wood's versatility
the professor immediately began to see it's advantages. I wonder how many of
us don a pair of blinders when we look at airplanes?

According to data from the Census of 2000 the median income in the United
States was $27,800. With approximately 135 million wage earners that means
about 67 million of them are earning LESS than twenty-seven eight. During that
same period one of the so-called Leaders of Sport Aviation referred to a
$20,000 airplane kit as "inexpensive" and a $25,000 Lycoming as "affordable."

Kind of makes you wonder who he's talking about. Certainly not any of the
sixty-seven million poor *******s pulling down that median wage. Or less.
Median means middle, you know. ‘Average' is what the bean counters like to
talk about. Average wage, you get to include Billy Gates, the head of the
Stock Exchange, those Enron execs and all of our millionaire Congressmen.
Average income in America is pretty high. But if you plan the future of
American aviation on the Average Income you've just guaranteed the end of
General Aviation as we know it. Come to think of it, I've got a hunch someone
already has.

Wood isn't very expensive. Yet. While we're all sitting around with our thumb
up our ass waiting for the bean counters to deliver another unworkable
bureaucratic solution to our steadily dwindling numbers, maybe we should be
teaching folks how to whittle their own airplanes.

-R.S.Hoover

Another great post - my first homebuilt will be made of wood. Don't know which one, maybe just get some good wood and
cut away anything that doesn't look like an airplane.

I want the 'lower half' to have as great a chance of flying as I do. That's what I like about the young eagles program,
open to everyone.

Pup fish, eh? I wonder if they resemble the Sopwith...

--
Dan D.



..
"Veeduber" > wrote in message ...
> Fellow came by the shop to borrow a Dutch Oven. He works at one of the local
> colleges and is a Boat Person rather than a Plane Person. Boat People usually
> takes their kitchen with him when they travel but he's taking a bunch of
> college kids over to Death Valley to count pup fish and the best the college
> could do for chow and equipment was a couple of Sierra cups and some outdated
> MRE's.
>
> I've known this guy maybe twenty years, figure it's safe to loan him a Dutch
> Oven. He's built a couple of boats, knows about wood. I helped him rig an
> aluminum mast, 'way back when sometime. He knows I fiddle with airplanes but
> thought they were always aluminum.
>
> "I thought you only worked in aluminum,' he said. We were out behind the shop.
> Perplexed look on his face, inspecting an aileron that seemed to be growing
> plumes of wood shavings where the ribs attached to the spar. I found the Dutch
> Oven, not too rusty considering it hadn't been used in a year or more. Took it
> in the shop to clean it up. He wasn't leaving til the next day; there would be
> time to season the oven before he left.
>
> I've been making some tail feathers. One set is all corners, simple and quick
> to build. The other is all curves. I had a bundle of pine strips, one inch
> wide but barely an eighth of an inch thick. When he arrived I'd been scarfing
> them into ten-foot strips. Being a Boat Person he knows about scarfing.
>
> "What slope is that?"
>
> I didn't know. I finished cleaning up the Dutch Oven, went in the house for
> some bacon grease, rubbed it down good. You can use vegetable oil if you want.
> When I came back out to the shop he'd found a yo-yo and was measuring the
> scarfs.
>
> "That's about sixteen to one," he sounded surprised. Boat people tend to use
> steep scarfs; eight to one; even six
>
> Best I could do was shrug. I honestly had no idea what the slope was, told him
> so. For the second time.
>
> "How can you be sure they'll match if you don't even know what slope you're
> using?"
>
> He sounded kind of stern. I just looked at him. College teacher. Boat
> person. He'd figure it out. I waited, kept looking at him.
>
> "Oh!" You could almost see the light bulb go on over his head.
>
> (So long as you cut all of your scarfs using the same set-up, they'll match.
> It doesn't really matter what the angle is.)
>
> The big disk sander was still set up for scarfing. I'd clamped a piece of 2x4
> to the table, cocked it around so it formed a very flat angle relative to the
> disk then simply shoved the strips into the gap like sharpening a pencil. Full
> depth, the disk cut a taper about two inches long. The strips are about a
> sixty-fourth shy of an eighth, which was how the set-up came out. I found
> some scrap, squared them on the bandsaw, let him scarf them then put them
> together to see how they fit. Nice.
>
> Scarf joint is a special case of end-grain gluing. For full strength across
> the joint you need a lot of surface which dictates a nice flat angle.
> Producing that angle by sanding presents you with something of a problem.. You
> need to get the sanding residue out of the fibers. I coat it with glue then
> scrape it off with a single edged razor blade, then apply fresh glue. Seems to
> work okay, which is good because most of the strips had three splices - four
> pieces of wood. That's the reality of Building On The Cheap, using whatever
> wood is locally available.
>
> I showed him a couple that were already glued, showing off a bit by tying one
> in a knot. They were glued with an epoxy because it's less viscous than most
> of my other glues and epoxy doesn't need a lot of pressure to make a good
> joint. To turn short strips into long ones, I taped them to a work bench.
> There was a small strip of waxed paper under the glued area but the alignment
> was strictly by eye, sighting down the strip until they aligned then holding it
> in place by taping it to the bench. This leaves the scarf free to lift up,
> apply the glue and check the wet-out. Then another piece of waxed paper went
> over the top followed by a steel plate to provide some weight. Clean-up is
> with a razor after which one edge gets trued up. They aren't perfectly
> straight but for making bows, they don't have to be. All you need is one edge
> that is reasonably true. That will be the down-edge when I laminate the curve,
> which should take about fourteen of the strips and about two dozen sewer-pipe
> clamps, plus a couple of real clamps to secure the laminated bow to the blocks
> that make up the curves. Once the bow is cured it will be carved to its final
> shape. Any irregularities in the strips will vanish during the carving.
>
> Out back of the shop I dug around, found the trivet and some fire irons, showed
> him a Squaw Wood kit and explained how to use it, loaned him a pair of heavy
> leather gloves. He kept looking at the aileron with its little tufts of wood
> shavings fluttering in the breeze.
>
> I explained that they were errors. Those particular blocks had shown a gap
> when fitted in place. I didn't want to make up new blocks so I installed them
> square then filled the gap with wood shavings coated with glue on both sides.
> Once the glue is cured I'll sand off the curls. I also pointed out an error he
> hadn't seen, where the disk sander got away from me and gouged a rib.
>
> "How did you keep it in place?" he asked, which was a good question. The rib
> is curved and less than a quarter of an inch thick.
>
> "Clothes pins. Put some waxed paper over the glue." If I couldn't grab it
> with clothes pins I'd of had to use rubber bands or something like that. Once
> the glue had cured I sanded the patch smooth.
>
> "Does it effect the strength?"
>
> "Not there. This all gets covered with cloth; it has to be smooth. Worse case
> load is a few pounds per inch of rib."
>
> He had his nose right down into the thing now looking at the filleted joints
> and the scarfed doublers. And the struts.
>
> "Are those what I think they are?" he pointed to a strut.
>
> "Are you thinking bamboo?"
>
> "Actually, I was thinking shish-ka-bob."
>
> "You sound like my wife. No, those are Aviation Certified bamboo struts."
>
> He gave me a look. I gave him a look. We both grinned.
>
> All loaded up, he started his engine then ran the window down. "I hadn't
> really thought about wood in the way you're using it there. What's the
> trade-off compared to using aluiminum?" We've talked airplanes before. He's
> dead set against composites, having developed a major reaction to resin. And
> he's not much of a hand with metal. But he likes wood.
>
> "Go play with your pup fish," I told him. "Give me a call when you get back."
> He didn't look too happy with that. "It's not a trivial subject. The biggest
> airplane ever built was made out of wood."
>
> "The Spruce Goose! Up in Long Beach, by the Queen Mary." He'd just remembered
> it was made of wood. His eyes didn't spin around like pin-wheels but they were
> jumping around a lot. You could almost hear the ideas bumping into each other.
>
> "Up in Oregon, now. And it's mostly birch." I thumped the roof of his car to
> let him know he could take it away. "Call me. I'll show you how to rivet then
> show you how to make a proper glue joint. Once you understand the procedures
> you'll see most of the trade-offs yourself."
>
> "You know, glue provides a continuous bond where rivets only fasten things
> together like sewing. Or nails. Or..."
>
> Back in the shop the air compressor cycled on, reminding me I had things to do.
> But I'd lit his fire and he was enjoying the glow. You could hear the whirr
> of his gears. Any minute now I expected to see smoke coming out his ears. I
> thumped the roof again, harder. "Pup fish. Go count some."
>
> He drove off and I went back to work. That aileron really did look like hell.
> I found the drill motor and knocked the curls off the thing. If the professor
> builds an airplane I have a hunch it won't need any gap-fillers.
>
> Cleaning up the aileron, I got to thinking about what he said, about never
> having thought of wood as an aviation material. Without really meaning to, we
> fall prey to our prejudices. But given just a glimpse of wood's versatility
> the professor immediately began to see it's advantages. I wonder how many of
> us don a pair of blinders when we look at airplanes?
>
> According to data from the Census of 2000 the median income in the United
> States was $27,800. With approximately 135 million wage earners that means
> about 67 million of them are earning LESS than twenty-seven eight. During that
> same period one of the so-called Leaders of Sport Aviation referred to a
> $20,000 airplane kit as "inexpensive" and a $25,000 Lycoming as "affordable."
>
> Kind of makes you wonder who he's talking about. Certainly not any of the
> sixty-seven million poor *******s pulling down that median wage. Or less.
> Median means middle, you know. 'Average' is what the bean counters like to
> talk about. Average wage, you get to include Billy Gates, the head of the
> Stock Exchange, those Enron execs and all of our millionaire Congressmen.
> Average income in America is pretty high. But if you plan the future of
> American aviation on the Average Income you've just guaranteed the end of
> General Aviation as we know it. Come to think of it, I've got a hunch someone
> already has.
>
> Wood isn't very expensive. Yet. While we're all sitting around with our thumb
> up our ass waiting for the bean counters to deliver another unworkable
> bureaucratic solution to our steadily dwindling numbers, maybe we should be
> teaching folks how to whittle their own airplanes.
>
> -R.S.Hoover
>

Enjoyable reading, as usual.

Thanks,
Jim Austin

Veeduber wrote:
> Fellow came by the shop to borrow a Dutch Oven. He works at one of the local
> colleges and is a Boat Person rather than a Plane Person. Boat People usually
> takes their kitchen with him when they travel but he's taking a bunch of
> college kids over to Death Valley to count pup fish and the best the college
> could do for chow and equipment was a couple of Sierra cups and some outdated
> MRE's.

Pierce College? It's an excellent field trip, go along if you can.

(Veeduber) wrote in message >...

AMEN!

> Wood isn't very expensive. Yet. While we're all sitting around with our thumb
> up our ass waiting for the bean counters to deliver another unworkable
> bureaucratic solution to our steadily dwindling numbers, maybe we should be
> teaching folks how to whittle their own airplanes.
>
> -R.S.Hoover

> > Wood isn't very expensive. Yet. While we're all sitting around with our thumb
> > up our ass waiting for the bean counters to deliver another unworkable
> > bureaucratic solution to our steadily dwindling numbers, maybe we should be
> > teaching folks how to whittle their own airplanes.

And powered by a Whittle engine, Frankly?

Ed Wischmeyer

Lol... I'd be one of those currently on the low end of the scale. And if
anyone had told me seven years ago that I'd not only build a flying machine,
but that it would be providing my income for the next three months, I'd have
beat him with a spar.

But, as fate would have it, the replica Wright machines have turned out to be
my salvation. Now, if we can just get yellow poplar recognised as a widely
aceptable replacement for spruce, I really could build a Home Depot airplane!

Harry
Wright 1902 glider - hull #7
Wright 1899 kite - hull #6

By the way, a good jack plane is an excelent way to trim the long surfaces of
those laminations flat in a hurry.

"Fred the Red Shirt" > wrote in message
om...
<snippage>
> Then you'd be able to use woods like birch, or ash which are a lot
> tougher than poplar. Ash in partcular resists plitting as does
> beech which would be an excellent wood for parts subject to shock
> loading like landing gear. Splitting beech is like trying to
> split a block of hard rubber.

Whittle yourself a Beech craft? :)

Tim Ward

(Wright1902Glider) wrote in message >...
> Lol... I'd be one of those currently on the low end of the scale. And if
> anyone had told me seven years ago that I'd not only build a flying machine,
> but that it would be providing my income for the next three months, I'd have
> beat him with a spar.
>
> But, as fate would have it, the replica Wright machines have turned out to be
> my salvation. Now, if we can just get yellow poplar recognised as a widely
> aceptable replacement for spruce, I really could build a Home Depot airplane!

As you probably already know, if hardwoods grow in your area then you
can get good kiln dried roughcut hardwoods from the mill for a third
to a quarter of what home centers charges for S4S. Whereas cabinets,
tables, dressers and the like need wide flat boards airplanes use
wooden trusswork with long thin members, right? Ripping rough cut
wood into long thin members and then working them down to final
dimensions and surface finish with handtools (frawknife, spokeshave,
bench and blockplane) is not only doable but emminently practical.

Then you'd be able to use woods like birch, or ash which are a lot
tougher than poplar. Ash in partcular resists plitting as does
beech which would be an excellent wood for parts subject to shock
loading like landing gear. Splitting beech is like trying to
split a block of hard rubber.

Good quality birch might be pricey but you can probably get ash
or hickory, live oak or beech for under $2.00/bf depending on
what grows in your neck of the woods.

>
> Harry
> Wright 1902 glider - hull #7
> Wright 1899 kite - hull #6
>
> By the way, a good jack plane is an excelent way to trim the long surfaces of
> those laminations flat in a hurry.

And a block plane is good for trimming off the fuzzies.

--

FF

That's funny. The front skids, landing skids, lower tail support, ribs, and hip
cradle of my Wright machine are all made of ash.

Harry

"Wright1902Glider" > wrote in message
...
> That's funny. The front skids, landing skids, lower tail support, ribs,
and hip
> cradle of my Wright machine are all made of ash.
>
> Harry

Because of ash's good bendability, I presume.

Are the skids laminated?
--
Jim in NC

"Veeduber" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
> Fellow came by the shop to borrow a Dutch Oven. He works at one of the
local
> colleges and is a Boat Person rather than a Plane Person. Boat People
usually
> takes their kitchen with him when they travel but he's taking a bunch of
> college kids over to Death Valley to count pup fish and the best the
college
> could do for chow and equipment was a couple of Sierra cups and some
outdated
> MRE's.
>
> I've known this guy maybe twenty years, figure it's safe to loan him a
Dutch
> Oven. He's built a couple of boats, knows about wood. I helped him rig
an
> aluminum mast, 'way back when sometime. He knows I fiddle with airplanes
but
> thought they were always aluminum.
>
> "I thought you only worked in aluminum,' he said. We were out behind the
shop.
> Perplexed look on his face, inspecting an aileron that seemed to be
growing
> plumes of wood shavings where the ribs attached to the spar. I found the
Dutch
> Oven, not too rusty considering it hadn't been used in a year or more.
Took it
> in the shop to clean it up. He wasn't leaving til the next day; there
would be
> time to season the oven before he left.
>
> I've been making some tail feathers. One set is all corners, simple and
quick
> to build. The other is all curves. I had a bundle of pine strips, one
inch
> wide but barely an eighth of an inch thick. When he arrived I'd been
scarfing
> them into ten-foot strips. Being a Boat Person he knows about scarfing.
>
> "What slope is that?"
>
> I didn't know. I finished cleaning up the Dutch Oven, went in the house
for
> some bacon grease, rubbed it down good. You can use vegetable oil if you
want.
> When I came back out to the shop he'd found a yo-yo and was measuring the
> scarfs.
>
> "That's about sixteen to one," he sounded surprised. Boat people tend to
use
> steep scarfs; eight to one; even six
>
> Best I could do was shrug. I honestly had no idea what the slope was,
told him
> so. For the second time.
>
> "How can you be sure they'll match if you don't even know what slope
you're
> using?"
>
> He sounded kind of stern. I just looked at him. College teacher. Boat
> person. He'd figure it out. I waited, kept looking at him.
>
> "Oh!" You could almost see the light bulb go on over his head.
>
> (So long as you cut all of your scarfs using the same set-up, they'll
match.
> It doesn't really matter what the angle is.)
>
> The big disk sander was still set up for scarfing. I'd clamped a piece of
2x4
> to the table, cocked it around so it formed a very flat angle relative to
the
> disk then simply shoved the strips into the gap like sharpening a pencil.
Full
> depth, the disk cut a taper about two inches long. The strips are about a
> sixty-fourth shy of an eighth, which was how the set-up came out. I
found
> some scrap, squared them on the bandsaw, let him scarf them then put them
> together to see how they fit. Nice.
>
> Scarf joint is a special case of end-grain gluing. For full strength
across
> the joint you need a lot of surface which dictates a nice flat angle.
> Producing that angle by sanding presents you with something of a problem..
You
> need to get the sanding residue out of the fibers. I coat it with glue
then
> scrape it off with a single edged razor blade, then apply fresh glue.
Seems to
> work okay, which is good because most of the strips had three splices -
four
> pieces of wood. That's the reality of Building On The Cheap, using
whatever
> wood is locally available.
>
> I showed him a couple that were already glued, showing off a bit by tying
one
> in a knot. They were glued with an epoxy because it's less viscous than
most
> of my other glues and epoxy doesn't need a lot of pressure to make a good
> joint. To turn short strips into long ones, I taped them to a work bench.
> There was a small strip of waxed paper under the glued area but the
alignment
> was strictly by eye, sighting down the strip until they aligned then
holding it
> in place by taping it to the bench. This leaves the scarf free to lift
up,
> apply the glue and check the wet-out. Then another piece of waxed paper
went
> over the top followed by a steel plate to provide some weight. Clean-up
is
> with a razor after which one edge gets trued up. They aren't perfectly
> straight but for making bows, they don't have to be. All you need is one
edge
> that is reasonably true. That will be the down-edge when I laminate the
curve,
> which should take about fourteen of the strips and about two dozen
sewer-pipe
> clamps, plus a couple of real clamps to secure the laminated bow to the
blocks
> that make up the curves. Once the bow is cured it will be carved to its
final
> shape. Any irregularities in the strips will vanish during the carving.
>
> Out back of the shop I dug around, found the trivet and some fire irons,
showed
> him a Squaw Wood kit and explained how to use it, loaned him a pair of
heavy
> leather gloves. He kept looking at the aileron with its little tufts of
wood
> shavings fluttering in the breeze.
>
> I explained that they were errors. Those particular blocks had shown a
gap
> when fitted in place. I didn't want to make up new blocks so I installed
them
> square then filled the gap with wood shavings coated with glue on both
sides.
> Once the glue is cured I'll sand off the curls. I also pointed out an
error he
> hadn't seen, where the disk sander got away from me and gouged a rib.
>
> "How did you keep it in place?" he asked, which was a good question. The
rib
> is curved and less than a quarter of an inch thick.
>
> "Clothes pins. Put some waxed paper over the glue." If I couldn't grab
it
> with clothes pins I'd of had to use rubber bands or something like that.
Once
> the glue had cured I sanded the patch smooth.
>
> "Does it effect the strength?"
>
> "Not there. This all gets covered with cloth; it has to be smooth. Worse
case
> load is a few pounds per inch of rib."
>
> He had his nose right down into the thing now looking at the filleted
joints
> and the scarfed doublers. And the struts.
>
> "Are those what I think they are?" he pointed to a strut.
>
> "Are you thinking bamboo?"
>
> "Actually, I was thinking shish-ka-bob."
>
> "You sound like my wife. No, those are Aviation Certified bamboo struts."
>
> He gave me a look. I gave him a look. We both grinned.
>
> All loaded up, he started his engine then ran the window down. "I hadn't
> really thought about wood in the way you're using it there. What's the
> trade-off compared to using aluiminum?" We've talked airplanes before.
He's
> dead set against composites, having developed a major reaction to resin.
And
> he's not much of a hand with metal. But he likes wood.
>
> "Go play with your pup fish," I told him. "Give me a call when you get
back."
> He didn't look too happy with that. "It's not a trivial subject. The
biggest
> airplane ever built was made out of wood."
>
> "The Spruce Goose! Up in Long Beach, by the Queen Mary." He'd just
remembered
> it was made of wood. His eyes didn't spin around like pin-wheels but they
were
> jumping around a lot. You could almost hear the ideas bumping into each
other.
>
> "Up in Oregon, now. And it's mostly birch." I thumped the roof of his
car to
> let him know he could take it away. "Call me. I'll show you how to rivet
then
> show you how to make a proper glue joint. Once you understand the
procedures
> you'll see most of the trade-offs yourself."
>
> "You know, glue provides a continuous bond where rivets only fasten things
> together like sewing. Or nails. Or..."
>
> Back in the shop the air compressor cycled on, reminding me I had things
to do.
> But I'd lit his fire and he was enjoying the glow. You could hear the
whirr
> of his gears. Any minute now I expected to see smoke coming out his ears.
I
> thumped the roof again, harder. "Pup fish. Go count some."
>
> He drove off and I went back to work. That aileron really did look like
hell.
> I found the drill motor and knocked the curls off the thing. If the
professor
> builds an airplane I have a hunch it won't need any gap-fillers.
>
> Cleaning up the aileron, I got to thinking about what he said, about never
> having thought of wood as an aviation material. Without really meaning
to, we
> fall prey to our prejudices. But given just a glimpse of wood's
versatility
> the professor immediately began to see it's advantages. I wonder how many
of
> us don a pair of blinders when we look at airplanes?
>
> According to data from the Census of 2000 the median income in the United
> States was $27,800. With approximately 135 million wage earners that
means
> about 67 million of them are earning LESS than twenty-seven eight. During
that
> same period one of the so-called Leaders of Sport Aviation referred to a
> $20,000 airplane kit as "inexpensive" and a $25,000 Lycoming as
"affordable."
>
> Kind of makes you wonder who he's talking about. Certainly not any of the
> sixty-seven million poor *******s pulling down that median wage. Or less.
> Median means middle, you know. 'Average' is what the bean counters like
to
> talk about. Average wage, you get to include Billy Gates, the head of the
> Stock Exchange, those Enron execs and all of our millionaire Congressmen.
> Average income in America is pretty high. But if you plan the future of
> American aviation on the Average Income you've just guaranteed the end of
> General Aviation as we know it. Come to think of it, I've got a hunch
someone
> already has.
>
> Wood isn't very expensive. Yet. While we're all sitting around with our
thumb
> up our ass waiting for the bean counters to deliver another unworkable
> bureaucratic solution to our steadily dwindling numbers, maybe we should
be
> teaching folks how to whittle their own airplanes.
>
> -R.S.Hoover

"Nordica Design" > wrote in message
...
>

I suppose you intended to comment about some part of the message
below, however I don't see the point in just resending someone elses
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> "Veeduber" > a écrit dans le message de news:
> ...
> > Fellow came by the shop to borrow a Dutch Oven. He works at one
of the
> local
> > colleges and is a Boat Person rather than a Plane Person. Boat
People
> usually
> > takes their kitchen with him when they travel but he's taking a
bunch of
> > college kids over to Death Valley to count pup fish and the best
the
> college
> > could do for chow and equipment was a couple of Sierra cups and
some
> outdated
> > MRE's.
> >
> > I've known this guy maybe twenty years, figure it's safe to loan
him a
> Dutch
> > Oven. He's built a couple of boats, knows about wood. I helped
him rig
> an
> > aluminum mast, 'way back when sometime. He knows I fiddle with
airplanes
> but
> > thought they were always aluminum.
> >
> > "I thought you only worked in aluminum,' he said. We were out
behind the
> shop.
> > Perplexed look on his face, inspecting an aileron that seemed to
be
> growing
> > plumes of wood shavings where the ribs attached to the spar. I
found the
> Dutch
> > Oven, not too rusty considering it hadn't been used in a year or
more.
> Took it
> > in the shop to clean it up. He wasn't leaving til the next day;
there
> would be
> > time to season the oven before he left.
> >
> > I've been making some tail feathers. One set is all corners,
simple and
> quick
> > to build. The other is all curves. I had a bundle of pine
strips, one
> inch
> > wide but barely an eighth of an inch thick. When he arrived I'd
been
> scarfing
> > them into ten-foot strips. Being a Boat Person he knows about
scarfing.
> >
> > "What slope is that?"
> >
> > I didn't know. I finished cleaning up the Dutch Oven, went in
the house
> for
> > some bacon grease, rubbed it down good. You can use vegetable
oil if you
> want.
> > When I came back out to the shop he'd found a yo-yo and was
measuring the
> > scarfs.
> >
> > "That's about sixteen to one," he sounded surprised. Boat people
tend to
> use
> > steep scarfs; eight to one; even six
> >
> > Best I could do was shrug. I honestly had no idea what the slope
was,
> told him
> > so. For the second time.
> >
> > "How can you be sure they'll match if you don't even know what
slope
> you're
> > using?"
> >
> > He sounded kind of stern. I just looked at him. College
teacher. Boat
> > person. He'd figure it out. I waited, kept looking at him.
> >
> > "Oh!" You could almost see the light bulb go on over his head.
> >
> > (So long as you cut all of your scarfs using the same set-up,
they'll
> match.
> > It doesn't really matter what the angle is.)
> >
> > The big disk sander was still set up for scarfing. I'd clamped a
piece of
> 2x4
> > to the table, cocked it around so it formed a very flat angle
relative to
> the
> > disk then simply shoved the strips into the gap like sharpening a
pencil.
> Full
> > depth, the disk cut a taper about two inches long. The strips
are about a
> > sixty-fourth shy of an eighth, which was how the set-up came out.
I
> found
> > some scrap, squared them on the bandsaw, let him scarf them then
put them
> > together to see how they fit. Nice.
> >
> > Scarf joint is a special case of end-grain gluing. For full
strength
> across
> > the joint you need a lot of surface which dictates a nice flat
angle.
> > Producing that angle by sanding presents you with something of a
problem..
> You
> > need to get the sanding residue out of the fibers. I coat it
with glue
> then
> > scrape it off with a single edged razor blade, then apply fresh
glue.
> Seems to
> > work okay, which is good because most of the strips had three
splices -
> four
> > pieces of wood. That's the reality of Building On The Cheap,
using
> whatever
> > wood is locally available.
> >
> > I showed him a couple that were already glued, showing off a bit
by tying
> one
> > in a knot. They were glued with an epoxy because it's less
viscous than
> most
> > of my other glues and epoxy doesn't need a lot of pressure to
make a good
> > joint. To turn short strips into long ones, I taped them to a
work bench.
> > There was a small strip of waxed paper under the glued area but
the
> alignment
> > was strictly by eye, sighting down the strip until they aligned
then
> holding it
> > in place by taping it to the bench. This leaves the scarf free
to lift
> up,
> > apply the glue and check the wet-out. Then another piece of
waxed paper
> went
> > over the top followed by a steel plate to provide some weight.
Clean-up
> is
> > with a razor after which one edge gets trued up. They aren't
perfectly
> > straight but for making bows, they don't have to be. All you
need is one
> edge
> > that is reasonably true. That will be the down-edge when I
laminate the
> curve,
> > which should take about fourteen of the strips and about two
dozen
> sewer-pipe
> > clamps, plus a couple of real clamps to secure the laminated bow
to the
> blocks
> > that make up the curves. Once the bow is cured it will be carved
to its
> final
> > shape. Any irregularities in the strips will vanish during the
carving.
> >
> > Out back of the shop I dug around, found the trivet and some fire
irons,
> showed
> > him a Squaw Wood kit and explained how to use it, loaned him a
pair of
> heavy
> > leather gloves. He kept looking at the aileron with its little
tufts of
> wood
> > shavings fluttering in the breeze.
> >
> > I explained that they were errors. Those particular blocks had
shown a
> gap
> > when fitted in place. I didn't want to make up new blocks so I
installed
> them
> > square then filled the gap with wood shavings coated with glue on
both
> sides.
> > Once the glue is cured I'll sand off the curls. I also pointed
out an
> error he
> > hadn't seen, where the disk sander got away from me and gouged a
rib.
> >
> > "How did you keep it in place?" he asked, which was a good
question. The
> rib
> > is curved and less than a quarter of an inch thick.
> >
> > "Clothes pins. Put some waxed paper over the glue." If I
couldn't grab
> it
> > with clothes pins I'd of had to use rubber bands or something
like that.
> Once
> > the glue had cured I sanded the patch smooth.
> >
> > "Does it effect the strength?"
> >
> > "Not there. This all gets covered with cloth; it has to be
smooth. Worse
> case
> > load is a few pounds per inch of rib."
> >
> > He had his nose right down into the thing now looking at the
filleted
> joints
> > and the scarfed doublers. And the struts.
> >
> > "Are those what I think they are?" he pointed to a strut.
> >
> > "Are you thinking bamboo?"
> >
> > "Actually, I was thinking shish-ka-bob."
> >
> > "You sound like my wife. No, those are Aviation Certified bamboo
struts."
> >
> > He gave me a look. I gave him a look. We both grinned.
> >
> > All loaded up, he started his engine then ran the window down.
"I hadn't
> > really thought about wood in the way you're using it there.
What's the
> > trade-off compared to using aluiminum?" We've talked airplanes
before.
> He's
> > dead set against composites, having developed a major reaction to
resin.
> And
> > he's not much of a hand with metal. But he likes wood.
> >
> > "Go play with your pup fish," I told him. "Give me a call when
you get
> back."
> > He didn't look too happy with that. "It's not a trivial subject.
The
> biggest
> > airplane ever built was made out of wood."
> >
> > "The Spruce Goose! Up in Long Beach, by the Queen Mary." He'd
just
> remembered
> > it was made of wood. His eyes didn't spin around like pin-wheels
but they
> were
> > jumping around a lot. You could almost hear the ideas bumping
into each
> other.
> >
> > "Up in Oregon, now. And it's mostly birch." I thumped the roof
of his
> car to
> > let him know he could take it away. "Call me. I'll show you how
to rivet
> then
> > show you how to make a proper glue joint. Once you understand
the
> procedures
> > you'll see most of the trade-offs yourself."
> >
> > "You know, glue provides a continuous bond where rivets only
fasten things
> > together like sewing. Or nails. Or..."
> >
> > Back in the shop the air compressor cycled on, reminding me I had
things
> to do.
> > But I'd lit his fire and he was enjoying the glow. You could
hear the
> whirr
> > of his gears. Any minute now I expected to see smoke coming out
his ears.
> I
> > thumped the roof again, harder. "Pup fish. Go count some."
> >
> > He drove off and I went back to work. That aileron really did
look like
> hell.
> > I found the drill motor and knocked the curls off the thing. If
the
> professor
> > builds an airplane I have a hunch it won't need any gap-fillers.
> >
> > Cleaning up the aileron, I got to thinking about what he said,
about never
> > having thought of wood as an aviation material. Without really
meaning
> to, we
> > fall prey to our prejudices. But given just a glimpse of wood's
> versatility
> > the professor immediately began to see it's advantages. I wonder
how many
> of
> > us don a pair of blinders when we look at airplanes?
> >
> > According to data from the Census of 2000 the median income in
the United
> > States was $27,800. With approximately 135 million wage earners
that
> means
> > about 67 million of them are earning LESS than twenty-seven
eight. During
> that
> > same period one of the so-called Leaders of Sport Aviation
referred to a
> > $20,000 airplane kit as "inexpensive" and a $25,000 Lycoming as
> "affordable."
> >
> > Kind of makes you wonder who he's talking about. Certainly not
any of the
> > sixty-seven million poor *******s pulling down that median wage.
Or less.
> > Median means middle, you know. 'Average' is what the bean
counters like
> to
> > talk about. Average wage, you get to include Billy Gates, the
head of the
> > Stock Exchange, those Enron execs and all of our millionaire
Congressmen.
> > Average income in America is pretty high. But if you plan the
future of
> > American aviation on the Average Income you've just guaranteed
the end of
> > General Aviation as we know it. Come to think of it, I've got a
hunch
> someone
> > already has.
> >
> > Wood isn't very expensive. Yet. While we're all sitting around
with our
> thumb
> > up our ass waiting for the bean counters to deliver another
unworkable
> > bureaucratic solution to our steadily dwindling numbers, maybe we
should
> be
> > teaching folks how to whittle their own airplanes.
> >
> > -R.S.Hoover
>
>

And your point of keeping the whole message intact and resending is?????

Model Flyer wrote:
> "Nordica Design" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
> I suppose you intended to comment about some part of the message
> below, however I don't see the point in just resending someone elses
> message, saying nothing.
> --
>
> .
> --
> Cheers,
> Jonathan Lowe
> whatever at antispam dot net
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> Antispam trap in place
>
>
>
>>"Veeduber" > a écrit dans le message de news:
...
>>
>>>Fellow came by the shop to borrow a Dutch Oven. He works at one
>
> of the
>
>>local
>>
>>>colleges and is a Boat Person rather than a Plane Person. Boat
>
> People
>

***SNIP***

"Jerry Springer" > wrote in message
nk.net...
> And your point of keeping the whole message intact and resending
is?????
>

I did hope that if the whole message was included you may make the
comment you intended.
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> Model Flyer wrote:
> > "Nordica Design" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >
> >
> > I suppose you intended to comment about some part of the message
> > below, however I don't see the point in just resending someone
elses
> > message, saying nothing.
> > --
> >
> > .
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > Jonathan Lowe
> > whatever at antispam dot net
> > No email address given because of spam.
> > Antispam trap in place
> >
> >
> >
> >>"Veeduber" > a écrit dans le message de news:
> ...
> >>
> >>>Fellow came by the shop to borrow a Dutch Oven. He works at one
> >
> > of the
> >
> >>local
> >>
> >>>colleges and is a Boat Person rather than a Plane Person. Boat
> >
> > People
> >
>
> ***SNIP***
>